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Bitcoin Savings & Trust – Genuine or Joke?

Bitcoin Savings & Trust – Genuine or Joke?

As many have predicted was an inevitable future, the man known only as Pirateat40 on bitcointalk.org announced the closure of his investment service, the Bitcoin Savings & Trust, earlier today, citing complications in performing larger transactions as the primary reason.  The interest rate given to investors was a staggering 7% per week for large investments, a number that could not have been sustainable in the long run and could only be matched in non-Bitcoin economies with ponzi schemes and similar cons.

Although it remains unconfirmed as of yet whether Pirateat40’s proposed investment service was or was not in fact a ponzi, the truth will undoubtedly be more clear next week: he has promised to pay back all of his users within a week, and begin those paybacks starting on Monday.  We will find out very quickly whether he has the ability to repay all customers, or if those words were the last we’ll ever hear from him.

Chart of sudden downturn following the news of expected liquidation of BS&T (bitcoin.clarkmoody.com)

After briefly touching $15/BTC prior to the news of the shutdown, the market had a stark reaction when the announcement was made, as it is fairly well known that deposits with pirate exceeded at least several hundred thousand BTC, if not more, and could be used to greatly affect the Bitcoin price. Within an hour, the price per bitcoin had dropped to almost $10 before stabilizing around $12.50.  Two trains of thought dominate recent market discussions: either Pirateat40 will be able to repay all of his investors, flooding the market with BTC that had been previously locked up and driving the price down as some of the investors cash out, or Pirateat40 was running a ponzi and will simply run with the currently-held funds, leaving no potential for cashout in the immediate future, and potentially more buying, as investors seek to replace the lost BTC.  Even the latter scenario does legitimize a price drop; if such a large con was to be revealed, it could shake confidence in Bitcoin considerably, and that uncertainty could lead to further price drops.

Many investors in the program shared the belief that it was a ponzi scheme, but openly admit to investing in it (or pass-throughs made for smaller investors) anyhow.  If reinvested, the return on investment at 7% interest rate would mean a doubling of one’s account balance about every 10 weeks.  And, given that the service has been running since early November 2011, a user could have conceivably seen an increase in their account balance of 700%.  These extravagant returns attract investors who believe they will be able to pull out of a scheme before it collapses, even though they might know it is a scheme to begin with.

Keep a watchful eye on bitcointalk.org come Monday – it should be very telling as to whether investors will be seeing a bitdime of their money back or not.

Do you expect Pirateat40 to pay back his customers?  Tell us in the comments below, or send an email to ed@bitcoinmagazine.net.

 

  • innomen

    “… if such a large con was to be revealed, it could shake confidence in Bitcoin considerably…”

    Why do people always say that when some third party scheme fails?

    Bitcoin Endeavors are not Bitcoin Itself

    I say bring on the metldowns, shake loose the gamblers and speculators so the rest of us can set about using it as it was intended, a currency and nothing more.

    • Danny Key

       I agree get all the filth out of bitcoins.

    • runeks

       Well said. It’s like saying Bernie Madoff shook the confidence in the US Dollar.

      • gwern0

         If Bernie Madoff’s scam had been a large fraction of all outstanding US dollars…

        • runeks

          Then what? People would stop trading in dollars? I think people would be able to separate a fraudster from his tools.

          • gwern0

            Yes, they would be less interested in dollar and dollar-denominated investments. More specifically: the sudden disappearance of a huge fraction of people’s wealth destroys prospects for them investing further (both the ability and willingness – a reverse ‘wealth effect’), it raises the issue of exchange rate fluctuations (what if pirate dumps all 200k or whatever bitcoins? thinking more long-term, how many people would be ruined by the theft or the fluctuations, and how much would that hamper future growth?), it highlights the extreme laissez-faire and unenforceable contracts of the Bitcoin economy for people who may have been able to brush it off before since nothing *really* bad had yet happened, and so on. I think people understand that a fraudster and his tools are not completely separable.

          • runeks

            I guess I will just have to disagree. I don’t think any fraudulent activity will make people stop using the fraudster’s tools, if the tools provide value to the honest users. Regulation can force people to stop using said tools, though. But I don’t think it will happen by itself if the tools used to commit fraud continue to provide value to the users who use them for legitimate activities.

          • Milen Iliev

            Hm, I have to agree with gwern0, just read about Albania’s economic history in the 90s..

    • Ron Studd

      Nicely said!

  • Testicles

    How is the bet going?

  • MaxSan

     It needs to be remembered though that these individuals would be shady in any situation they may be control of. Bitcoin is not an entity which has morals, that belongs to the people.

  • tehace

    I always expected it was a scam +1 on taking responsibility